Harmonized Sales Tax and Restaurants

by KimHo on December 19, 2009 · 9 comments under: British Columbia,Comments



This is a topic that I know it will not win me any friends; in fact, there are chances I will garner more enemies. However, as they say, keep your friends close but your enemies closer… A couple of months ago, there was the announcement BC will implement a Harmonized Sales Tax (HST) replacing the current Goods and Sales Tax (GST) and Provincial Sales Tax (PST). The current GST and PST rates are 5% and 7% and the HST will be 12%. While it sounds like the tax we end up paying is the same, reality is there will be some shifts, i.e., where previously there were no taxes (or not at the same rate), there now will and vice-versa. This being a food blog, I will touch specifically on the topic of restaurants. (And, thanks to shokutsu of Foodosophy to bring this first to my attention).

When implemented in July 1st, 2010 (oddly, in Canada Day), when you go out to eat, your bill will have a 12% tax rather than 5%. Yes, whereas currently you are currently only GST taxed, now you will be hit by an additional 7%. Because of this, there has been a site set up against this issue called , leaded by Canadian Restaurant and Foodservices Association. Local commentator Bill Tieleman has also written about this. Now, I must mention that some parties are not necessarily against the HST; rather the way it will be implemented, i.e., a straight jump from 5% to 12%. Of course, everybody is entitled to their opinion and mine is…

(First, put a flame retardand suit, followed by a suite of armour to lower me THAC0… OK, that was too old school)

Bring it on… No, wait, wait. Before anybody starts throwing molotov cocktails, shoot me with a rail gun or slash me with a rapier, I am just like pretty much everybody who does not like to pay any more taxes that I should. However, it is just that the arguments that have been put forward does not necessarily convince me against the implementation of HST. Here are some examples:

1) Tax increase from 5% to 12%. Let’s put it into perspective how much it is that “increase”. So, if you were to order a burger with the works and it costs $10, currently you will end up paying $10.50. With the HST, it will be $11.20. If those additional $0.70 cents are too much, why don’t just cut the cheese/bacon (since additional toppings are usually over $1 each)? Hey, you could be doing double, as that slice of cheese or bacon can hit your waist as well… OK, jokes aside, while the increase is not something to overlook, I believe that is being blowned to proportions. Sure, it does add up but did anybody complain last year when almost all restaurants increased their prices due to the increase of fuel prices? People felt it was a fact of life and dealt with it. (Oh, on that note, the price of gas has now gone down but has anybody notice a decrease of prices in restaurants?) In fact, this week I noticed Timmy’s had notices due to increase of costs, they were forced to increase the price of their goods. Let’s just say they queue of people buying their coffee/donuts were about the same prior to the announcement…

2) There will be less people going to restaurants. Everybody, repeat after me: Eating out is a privilege, not a right. When I was growing up, my mom had a somewhat tight control over the budget (something not surprising in old-school/traditional Chinese women). As a result, my family seldom, if ever, went out to eat. Sure, once in a while, some takeout but that was the closest we would get. In my case, if I wanted something Panamanian, I had to sneak it – though I will admit my mother knew I did that once in a while. Of course, the fact my mother could cook very well helped a lot. Anyway, restaurants are just that, a business, and, just like anything business, you can choose to buy their goods (or look next door for better prices). The key here is that you have the option NOT to go if you feel eating out will hit your wallet/pocket hard. Heck, you can use that money you are not spending eating out in cooking lessons. As they say, teach a man (or woman) how to fish… – or cook in this case. (Side-note, although it seems I eat out a lot, I also cook at home a lot).

3) If people still choose to go to restaurants, people will leave less tips to “compensante” for the increase in the tax. I will mention this is one of the most ridiculous reasons listed. The tip topic is such an issue to me to the point I have written a complete blog post about tips in the past – check it here. It is a good read (if I can say so myself!) but, if you want to skip it, one of my issues is the fact waiters and waitresses believe they are entitled to it. To summarize that part, no, you are NOT entitled to it. And, if you think you are, I hope you fill up all your forms with the CRA to account for those tips…

4) Lost jobs. I have the odd belief a lot of restaurants are overstaffed. Yes, you know who YOU are! But, for argument sake, let’s say they were running a tight ship. If that is the case, just like pretty much any job, you have to adjust yourself to the market. If the restaurant has to layoff people because there are less people eating out, so be it. Don’t sulk or sit on your hands. Instead, look for alternatives until it picks backup. Or switch careers. Or, to badly paraphrase Ryan Bingham (Up in the Air, played by George Clooney – Thanks, Mijune!), think of it as a new opportunity.

There are more arguments but, for the most part, I think I can present similar counter-arguments. It is a single industry that has raised its points, yet I don’t see other industries raise similar thoughts. Heck, why not even look at a larger picture. For example, check this article from The Globe and Mail.

With the caveat that I am a “typical Canadian”, i.e., indiferent towards any political party, in a way, I applaud the current local government for having the (meat)balls to take such decisions, if there is a firm belief it is for a greater good further down the road. Of course, I might be mistaken as well but, so far, from the arguments shown to me, that does not seem to be the case. (On an unrelated note, I used to work as an auditor and, currently, as data analyst. I also have some statistics background and I am always dubious of numbers provided. As it is said, there are lies, damn lies and then there are statistics).

To close this post down (from my perspective, of course; I hope to hear/read from you), this brings the question of how will this blog be affected. For the most part, I don’t think it will be affected much. At first, I might be cautious of where I eat and what I eat. Or simply suck it up. But, after a while, I will just overlook that and it will be business as usual.

{ 9 comments… read them below or add one }

1 H.Peter December 19, 2009 at 7:27 am

4) Lost Jobs.
No where outside of North America will you soo so many people working in a retaurant.
Taking Earl’s/Moxie’s/Joey’s as an example…they are food carriers who can handle 12 people max, not waitstaff that can handle 36. Without a bus boy I would like to add…
Get lean and lower the prices.

One mantra in Europe: The higher the taxes, the bigger the loopholes…

2 Shecky December 19, 2009 at 11:29 am

No one seems to be talking about the real problem with the “Harmonized” tax. When all taxes are lumped into one, it makes it more difficult to know what each one is for. And easier to insert new taxes in the future.

3 Kate December 19, 2009 at 5:02 pm

I don’t really care about paying extra tax (I mean, it’s not going to add up to a whole lot) but what are the benefits to HST? No one’s explained that one to me.

4 Sherman December 19, 2009 at 7:28 pm

As much as I loathe taxes, it is a necessity to pay for health, education and social programs. Of course some taxes are withered away foolishly by government, but that’s another topic altogether. The point is, I hate more taxes; but Kim is right, it won’t stop me from eating out. On a bill of $100, it’s an extra $7. Yes, it sucks, but it’s not the end of the world. I would prefer to not pay that extra $7; yet I’ll probably get used to it. With that being said, I am still against it.

5 tia December 22, 2009 at 10:53 pm

hell yeah to #4, the tip thing. one of my pet peeves.

6 Bart Weisser December 26, 2009 at 8:06 pm

I am not worried about the extra money that I will have to pay for eat-out meals (HST + Tips); I am worried about the extra money that I will have to shell out for groceries.

To say that “it’s only an extra 7$ for my 100$ meal” is a slippery slope, because things do add up.

Let’s say, I pay an extra 5$ everytime I go to Safeway, and let’s say, I do that twice a week, which is pretty reasonable. That’s 500$ extra I pay in taxes a year. Now add the 7$ that you would pay for each meal and let’s say (for an affluent Asian household) you do that once a week, that is another 350$. So, an additional 850$ per year, I will be paying in taxes.

Just to be conservative, I took a 50-week year; the 52-year amount would be almost 1000$. I can think of many things I can do with this money.

The BC government has never been very transparent when it comes to budget allocation or resource management for that matter. This makes me wonder where all the money would end up. I hope they are not simply written off as “economical inefficiencies.”

BW.

P.S. – Besides, I can imagine that *some* Chinese restaurants will still give out “YellowBrother” treatments despite the new tax, so the cost will be borne partly by the proprietors.

7 KimHo December 26, 2009 at 8:29 pm

Bart, I am not sure what type of groceries you buy or where you buy them but you might want to check the receipt next time you do your groceries: “Basic groceries” are zero-rated for GST (hence HST) purposes. Check it here.

8 Bart December 26, 2009 at 10:58 pm

Kim Ho: Do me a favor. Try to make a meal with only “Basic Groceries” (and I’m not talking about pasta in tomato sauce) and see how far you will get.

9 KimHo December 27, 2009 at 2:32 am

Examples of food and beverages that are zero-rated as basic groceries under section 1 of Part III of Schedule VI include fresh, frozen, canned and vacuum sealed fruits and vegetables, breakfast cereals, most milk products, fresh meat, poultry and fish, eggs and coffee beans.

The store is supplying both taxable (i.e., canned drinks, ice cream cups, amenities) and zero-rated grocery items (i.e., condiments, hamburgers, hotdogs) and delivering them.

Mediterranean Pressed Olive Oil is zero-rated under section 1 of Part III of Schedule VI.

I think I can make a lentil soup to start up with, followed by some pork chops. On another day, I can have a salad, followed by some baked chicken (whether a shake n bake like type or with some mustard mix, to be decided) served with rice. Also, using some leftover cooked rice, some eggs, scallions and, who knows, left over chicken, make a fried rice. Sure, ice cream might be taxable but, by that time, it is far from the amount you specified below, not to mention that could fall inside the threshold of price variance you could observe every week.

So, can you, once again, please, tell us what you have in your grocery list?

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